Much coverage has been given to Ken Hamm’s groundbreaking new book Already Gone – and rightfully so. The Church has been losing young people in record numbers. The reaction of evangelical leaders has been to :
a) write books, host seminars, etc for teens & their parents on “how to remain Christian at college”
b) set up worldview camps, and training programs for older teens to try and repair the damage that is being systematically done to them through Marxist & anti-Christian education, entertainment, etc. (as if saturating someone with a disease for 12 to 17 years and then trying to give them a heavy dose of vaccinne before turning them over to be more heavily saturated with the disease could be called “preventative medicine”)
or
c) blame the liberals/ the Democrats/ the illuminati
These responses are — at best — inadequate & short sighted. The third response above is inadequate because it is hopeless, unbiblical, does not take responsibility, and ultimately reacts the same way God’s people did to Goliath (save David) or the giants in the land (save Joshua & Caleb). It is bordeline idolotry. The first two responses fall short becasuse they are reactive and try to provide a quick and reasonably painless fix a problem years after it has taken root.
That’s why I am grateful for Hamm’s book — exposong the glaring picture of the Aposte John’s explanation “they went out from us because they were not of us“. (I John 2:19). The church (and their parents) had long since lost the hearts and minds of these kids before they left physically.
I have not read Hamm’s book yet, but I have read enough exerts and commentaries by Hamm & others and heard enough interviews to get the gist of it — and know that I want to read it. However, I believe that Ken Hamm is also guilty of not seeing the forrest for the trees. Just like all of us he is guided by his presuppositions and his cause of greatest concern. This is something we are all prone to (so I’m not beating Hamm up), When I was involved in Operation Rescue, we saw abortion in every Bible verse and behind every news story; being a “3rd Party guy” I notice (find?) problems with the “big two parties” at the root of many political issues;
Hamm recognized the problem, he grasps some of the foundational issues, then he turned to one particular manifestation (fruit) to explain the whole problem (root). He starts on the right path, but ends up with “it’s all about not teaching a literal view of Genesis 1″. ( while I agree is part of the problem — a fruit — but certainly not the MAIN problem — root — or even biggest problem).
For another perspective, and sadly another example of this check out Gary Demar’s thought provoking, short read piece “Why Creation and Prophecy cannot be Separated”
This is the second of two excellent pieces dealing with this issue .
Demar’s premise is simple :
“that there are exegetical and hermeneutical inconsistencies among YECists who are dispensationalists (e.g., Henry Morris, Tim LaHaye, and Ray Comfort) and among those who speak in these churches and homeschool conventions about YECism (even though they themselves may not be dispensationalists). I contend that prophecy, because it is about the future, has a greater impact on people than does whether the earth is young or old. “
I have always found it odd that many Young Earth Creationists (in who’s camp I reside) take such issue with a hermeneutic model that places a “gap theory” in Genesis don’t have any trouble with a “gap theory” in Daniel. I suppose a muti-billion year gap in the Creation account is unacceptable, but a multi-thousand year gap in Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks” is ok .(?)
However, I still think this is a “missing-the-forrest-for-the-trees” issue. . . .
While I have not read Hamm’s book (yet) from what I’ve heard and read the book/ research brings out the fact that astonishing percentages of kids raised in church are abandoning their faith and adopting an anti-Christian worldview when they leave home.
And, that the percentages are even higher among kids that attended Sunday School/ Youth Group/ etc regularly. If I heard right, in fact, I believe Hamm argues that the more kids attend Sunday School, VBS, etc the more likely they were to abandon Church.
So far, so good, but then he turns towards his particular issue of concern as the big problem : not teaching literal, six-day creation, and thereby, teaching these kids to deny the inerrancy of Scripture and preparing them to abandon everything else. This may be true, but I do not think it is the big issue any more than I think that agreeing with Gary Demar on eschatology (which I do) is the big issue (Demar does not make this claim).
When we hear that the largest percentage of kids leaving the church are those who attended Sunday School the most regularly, we should not question only the content of what is being taught but the very concept of age segregated Sunday School — modeled after the public school system — itself.
If we do not, we are not dealing with root issues — or at the very least we are not doing complete & adequate research. Unless it can be proven that these statistics are drastically different among kids where Six Day Creation is taught –with all other factors being equal (doctrine of the church, whether the parents are Believers, government vs Christian education) then Hamm’s assertions are merely speculation or impostion.
I believe these are the questions that the research produced for the book should cause us to delve into are things like :
1) Should we be having age segregated Sunday School/ VBS/ Youth Group at all ? Is it Biblical ? Does it have a long history of success as a pattern among Bible believing churches ?
2) Is teaching even the best doctrine, worldview, etc in one hour a week Sunday School adequate — even in “family integrated” settings — if we are not submerging our kids in Truth for the majority of their time during the week ? What other factors contribute as much or more to them leaving the faith ? What other factors have shaped our worldview and how can they be rooted out as well ?
3) If we get all of the above right and don’t have a right view of God as our primary focus, how can we hope to produce good fruit and build strong churches, families, etc ? Do we want a new Phariseeism or Christianity ?
4) Since we know that many kids from families/ churches who get everything “right” rebel — and that ourh kids who have done well and are following after Christ are on that path in spite of us rather than because of us. shouldn’t crying out to God for mercy while we analize and act be of supreme importance ?
The family & our children have been under relentless Satanic attack for well over a century. The foundations of our liberty & our culture have been laid waste for even longer. Entertainment & education, culture and government — and oftentimes even the church — have been systematically (even if unintentionally) creating this crisis. We have poisoned the soil; we have rotten roots; we have rotten trees; we have rotten fruit.
We must, therefore, lay the axe to the roots, plow deeply, and rebuild the soil (restore the foundations).

amen! what you said is radical, but not extreme. I happen to think child education/discipleship is pretty much the crux of the issue: why, in heaven’s name, do we American Christians never give a second thought to the practice of sending our children to an agnostic system of public schools? oh, truly does the scripture say, “my people perish for a lack of understanding”!
By: Tyler Upchurch on July 25, 2009
at 7:52 am
As long as we raise girls to be men, to go to college to get a man’s job, our women will continue to be abused and frustrated. The church, the public school and home school Mom’s are all guilty of raising their daughters to go out and take men’s jobs.
Why should girls or boys take Sunday school, or their pastors’ sermons or their Moms’ teaching about the Bible seriously when they all contradict the whole reason for the creation of the woman, and the fact that men and women were given different roles by God All Mighty Himself?
Ken Ham hires dozens of young women of child-bearing age, so they can work for him, which necessitates they all hire someone else to raise their children. Has he not read in Genesis: 1, what the woman’s job is? The love of money is at the root of it.
Joe Taylor
By: Joe Taylor on July 25, 2009
at 8:39 am
I believe one key ingredient to raising our children to desire to stay in the church is to give them a vision and hunger for serving the Lord Jesus with their whole heart.
By: Mom Upchurch on July 25, 2009
at 3:26 pm
I almost agree with Joe, to the extent that parents should be teaching the right thing. My biggest concern is that parents aren’t teaching at all! It is lazy of us as believers to think that we can send our kids to any school and let that school teach them our values. I would caution anyone against thinking a “Christian” school would be able to keep our kids from rebelling, but that is a side-note.
My job is to raise my son and daughter the way God would want me to. It has very little (IMO) to do with the public schools and so much more to do with me being present in the life of my kids. We men have a chance to really change things, but only if we start doing the teaching and stop thinking that any school can teach the morality I should be teaching.
By: Dan Smith on July 25, 2009
at 3:36 pm
Reading the book review (following Les’s link) renews my thankfulness that my father tore down any school of thought that attempted to separate faith from reason, or that attempted to achieve compatibility between faith and reason through weak-minded openness to parallel, co-existing, but contradictory realms of religion on one hand and science on the other.
He realized that such attempts are untenable to the rational mind God designed (in His own image) and endowed each of us with.
For all five of us children, it was satisfying to our rational faculties to be raised by a father who sought out answers to questions, studied books full of answers, such as [Many Infallible Proofs], [The Genesis Flood], and [Evidence that Demands a Verdict], to name a few. He found authors who reconciled knowledge from the (fallible) study of nature with knowledge from the study of God’s written (infallible) revelation.
And our souls were satisfied to see our father try out the Bible’s principles to improve our family life and atmosphere, and see him love God’s law and guard against sin enough to put his job at stake.
By: George on July 25, 2009
at 11:21 pm
I think George is giving a very keen insight, by way of his personal experience, how this works. I know my children are young, but now is the time for me to do the things his father did.
This cuts out the idea that once a father gets home from work, it’s time to relax. No sir…it’s time to be a father. I say we are the key to keeping our children safe.
By: Dan Smith on July 26, 2009
at 7:37 am
Reading, writing, arithmetic and history are all important for daily life for women as well as men. Those can be learned by the time one is 14 years old. Why does one need more than those? It’s to go on to college isn’t it? And why are they going to college? They go there –both boys and girls–to get a degree so they can get a job and have a career. And is your daughter really looking forward to being a wife and Mom? Then what college in the universe teaches young women to be Godly wives and mothers?? Many would say college is essential because they want their girls to be able to get a job till they get married. But is it economically wise for young women to spend tens of thousands of dollars to get a job that they will only need till they get married? Plus, look at the immoral cesspool they go through to get it. I know too many young people who never went to college who started low-level jobs and worked up from there. And if they got married in a few years, they had made money all that time instead of incurring a huge debt. Public schools are bad enough. But why home school your kids and then send them off an even worse system? Parents aren’t training their kids to know what they should do rather than start College at 18. So when they graduate, all they can think of to do is go to college. Trade schools are a far better, cheaper and quicker route to getting a job for men or women. Kids don’t have to be raised with no alternative but College after graduation.
Joe Taylor
By: Joe Taylor on July 26, 2009
at 8:40 am
Brother Taylor,
I agree overwhelmingly with both of your posts. It is extremely frustrating to me to watch many of my peers, young women who say they want to be wives and mothers ’someday’, spending years and thousands of dollars in an atmosphere that is giving exactly the opposite of what they need to prepare for godly womanhood.
~Emily
By: Emily on July 26, 2009
at 3:50 pm
It follows as no surprise that I agree with Joe (he’s my uncle) and Leslie he’s my MFNPB (most favored non-Primitive Baptist). I think there are even more problems than what has been mentioned.
George Barna, a Christian researcher, published a report that only 9% of born again adults have a Biblical world view and only 51% of their pastors in protestant churches even hold a Biblical world view. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/133-only-half-of-protestant-pastors-have-a-biblical-worldview
If half the pastors don’t have a Biblical world view, how can we expect their members to have one. When only 9% of born again adults have a Biblical world view, how can we expect the other 91% to pass their faith to their children?
Primitive Baptists have always been against Sunday Schools which are part of the problem. Our belief is that fathers are to bring their children up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (Eph 6:4) not Sunday school teachers. And that people are converted to Christ by the foolishness of preaching the Gospel (1Cor 1:8) not the sophistication of Sunday Schools. But quite frankly even PB’s in many cases have done a poor job of passing their faith and/or a Biblical world view to their children. Thankfully, some among us began waking up to this problem 30 years ago. Since then, there has been a movement to address the issue. Here is the latest. http://baptistbiblehour.org/2009/02/20/a-worldview-weekend-with-bbh/
As for the rest of Christianity, besides un-scriptural Sunday Schools and a 50% failure rate by pastors to teach a Biblical world view, most modern churches have turned their worship over to little more than entertainment rather than the preaching of Christ and Him crucified. They have a form of Christianity but there is no power of God in it. 2 Tim 3:5 These churches teach easy believism. Just come down to the altar and say a little prayer and you’ll have saved yourself for all eternity. Then you can live however you want because we have nothing more to offer than programs and entertainment and a little bit of preaching that we promise won’t be to long or to intense or to demanding and, unless you become an axe murderer, you’ll never be held accountable for anything you do. It’s no wonder these kids are being swept away by the world, they don’t have Christ in their life.
By: James Taylor on July 27, 2009
at 4:58 am
Kevin Swanson asked Voddie Baucham this question on his radio show and got a good answer. As I recall, he cites the same thing I referred to above: 14000 seat-hours on average throughout a child’s elementary and highschool education in an agnostic public school system versus spending 26 hours a year in Sunday school, most of which is tragically impotent watered down teaching. His solution? Fatherly leadership, pulling kids out of the incurably agnostic public school system and providing a Deu. 6/Eph. 6 kind of upbringing.
Give it a listen: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11150610570
By: Tyler Upchurch on July 27, 2009
at 6:17 pm
Come ye out from among them … be ye a separate people … ye are a peculiar people… etc. It is hard to tell the difference between a lot of church people’s lives and the decent worldly unchurched. How separate is “separate”? How “peculiar” are we?? Not much and not very for too many of us. Does our righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees? Not in many of us.
So what do the above commands mean? It means we are to live, look and do differently than the ungodly around us. But, try and take constant TV, video games, sports, fashion, worldly movies and college educations from the average professing American Christian, and you will see the death grip they have on them. Parents should stop conditioning their kids to be just like the worldly kids and then wonder why they leave the church when they get to college.
By: Joe Taylor on July 28, 2009
at 7:25 am
A good discussion, and some excellent points.
By: von on August 14, 2009
at 10:54 am